The murders of Liberty "Libby" German, 14, and Abigail "Abby" Williams, 13, shocked the small town of Delphi, Indiana because of their apparent randomness. Logan was never formally named a suspect and never charged in the Delphi murders. There are 244 comments there. At least some people like me. No, he didnt kill his own granddaughter. However, there are some good posters, especially on r/LibbyandAbby. An asterisk means the information is proven via LE information leaked to us. We dont know if or when he worked for them before or after. If anyone else is involved they know who it is. The search warrant list a number of items that LE is looking for. They had both been murdered. Derrick German: Libbys father, meth dealer, convict who served time in prison and supposedly ratted people out to get a lower sentence. Sister of Delphi Murder Victim Is Studying Criminal Justice to Help Homicide Victims' Families The 2017 killings of Libby German and Abby Williams are the subject of tonight's episode of People . A lot of my comments have been deleted, not at my discretion. So, yes, although the Evansdale girls were mere skeletons when found, LE believes they were posed. And I seriously doubt that any of those POIs have access to all of those sensitive case documents or that any of them have a personality like that. No, he came up with the lost my keys gambit to explain why his car sat at the cemetery from 6:30 PM the day of the crime to 12:30 PM the next day when the girls bodies were found, a period of 18 full hours. The guy that is making those videos about Mr X, and the guy by the name of Derek godsey. Trials. Thanks for all the info much appreciated. On Monday, police announced that Richard Allen, 50, of Delphi, was arrested and charged with two counts of murder in the deaths of Libby and Abby. I see T. Neighboring state. How do you know that LE has someone they believe is BG? Innocent people are hurt and killed in these cases, but theyre not really high profile and we dont have time to mess with this epidemic. Why would they NOT want to look for those types of things in a child murder with likely sa involved? Could it that the killers were middle aged men, DP and not sure yet, maybe FSG but both dressed exact same so people would be confused? Furthermore, homicide is the most serious thing you can charge anyone with. Did the girls have wet clothes where they were found? Important residence periods: Moved to Evansdale, Iowa in 2011-2012 to work at a slaughterhouse possibly aligned with Tyson Foods there. The main suspects DNA is found in the forest around the crime scene. Im nothing at all like how they describe me. And if Mr. X was being tried today and I was on the jury, I would certainly vote to acquit. Im not saying he is or he isnt, but I would hope that every one of his statements has been gone over with a fine-toothed comb, verified, and re-verified for good measure. They also acknowledge that SSA, or same sex attraction is a logical process for a lot of men. He is one of the first and only witnesses in this case!!. I do not feel comfortable using his initials or certainly his name. Employment history: Unknown prior to 2011. We have your fingerprints on the counter.. Yes, the police have told us that they now think that Bridge Guy or Mr. X did Evansdale too. MIAMI COUNTY, Ind. Why dont you do a show on our theories. Clown. I would like to know if he has any motorcycle club affiliation, especially regarding a certain outfit with a reputation to be feared around that area? If they tried to take it to court, I am almost certain that the judge would throw it out before it even got to the trial stage. Besides being psycho. He could have worn those boots over his jeans, and he wouldnt have gotten wet. Abigail "Abby" Williams, 13, and Liberty "Libby" German disappeared from the Delphi Historic trails while taking an afternoon stroll on Feb. 13, 2018, as previously reported. Thanks, Mike! In February 2017, they were about halfway through the eighth . Im sure that was a LOL feeling for him. Via LE Source A, we learned that LE has only recently started to believe that BG (Mr. X) is also responsible for the Evansdale Murders. Obviously this is the only type of personality that is capable of podcasting an egomaniac on the other hand, their personality pathology limits the usefulness of their shows. But we have said many of the same things, which may be confirmation of my visions in a way. One person wins and everyone else loses. It is being said that we are claiming all sorts of odd things about this crime, what happened, and the crime scene. Maybe he did, maybe he didnt. Oh, one more thing, Jim. I read your recent blogs about the Delphi murders, and you have a ton of info. In these cases, we have 4-5 separate sources, usually vaguely referred to as inside sources, testifying to the truth of something. Calling off the search the night the girls went missing was a really, really bad choice. He stayed to guard his truck. In particular, user/tobor is excellent. Its a dead end. Why on Earth would someone stay next to their truck all through one evening and night through the next early AM and morning into the afternoon? Hi folks! Specific mention is made that the girls were abducted at exactly 2:13 PM. Thank u. Good job though, because you confirm much of what Ive seen. So yeah, if you type in Mr Xs real govt registered name into the old YT, you get a handful of cryptic videos, slideshows with creepy music typical for this sort of thing. We dont know who his roommate was in Delphi and then again in Evansdale, and we also dont know what sort of work they had both been moved over there for. Notice that BG committed his crime with large knives or hatchets, his preferred weapon. There is a suspected child killer in the Bay Area who is responsible for 5-10 child murders. The family knew something was wrong. But how could they possibly know this? Im also sure that its used as a tactic to convince the public that they were completely justified in making whatever decisions they felt required justification. Garrett Kirts: Local man, all around run of the mill bad person. He just wanted dirty pictures. Tuesday 27 December 2022 22:58 Bodycam footage from night of Idaho murders A University of Idaho professor has filed a lawsuit against a woman who baselessly linked her to the brutal murders. Thank you Mr. Lindsay for significant information on this terrible case. He was one of the original witnesses who saw BG and gave a description. Resident of Delphi in 1984-85 at minimum. Everyone was crowding around to look at the crime he had committed. Police say they also discovered an unspent round from a gun near the girls bodies. Evidence in the Delphi, Indiana, double murder case was unsealed by a county court on Tuesday, revealing key new details, including that suspect Richard Allen's gun was linked to the crime scene. Apparently neither girl was a virgin and both girls were sexually active in terms of PIV sex. LE would also be interested in anyone who may have helped Mr. X after the crime, perhaps burning evidence or whatever. IUPUI forensic science professor provides context on Delphi murders investigation, Cardinal Robert McElroy to speak at Notre Dame Forum event on war, peace, Reward offered after bald eagle killed in southern Indiana, 20-year-old man shot after allegedly striking 18-year-old woman with car in Elkhart, Eli Lilly to cap out-of-pocket cost of insulin at $35 a month, Sectional boys basketball highlights 2/28. I saw this being explained in some YT comments to a bunch of brainlets. Could be to cover their own asses. At 8:20 PM, the police scanner said that A., Mr. Xs wife, was coming to bring Mr. X a spare set of keys. Im thinking theres around 10 more people, in addition to the four youve mentioned, that are involved with a retaliation/revenge motive. And at the end, Carter says, He may even be in this room right now, (he was in fact) and then looks in the complete opposite direction of Mr. X. There is evidence that may have worked at a Tyson packing plant in Logansport in 2011-2012. The problem here is that before 5:30 PM, no one knew the girls were missing other than the families and a few friends. This is why you dont hear LE openly accusing people of committing serious crimes like homicide unless they have enough evidence to take them to trial. He wasnt searching for his keys early on. Mr. X was a senior in high school at the time. Can you explain to me how LE would know that BG filmed his crime if he didnt send that crime footage to the girls phones? And every day, more and more chilling details emerge. Much more on that below. Theyre generally unusable. I want to be respectful to someone who is innocent until proven guilty also. Also theres only one way for LE to know that BG filmed his crime if the rumors about sending video of the crime to the girls phones afterwards is true. He ran off for s copy for us and sent it to us in the mail. Thanks. Hes been on my radar for a long time now. Im sure its very interesting to posit your wandering speculation about what if this or maybe something or possibly why, who or what, but at the end of the day, its writing words in the air with water vapor to be blown away with the next wind. Henceforth, he will be known as LE Source A. I tend to think its a doll. Pregnancies are also risky for 13 and 14 year old girls. Libbys phone did not record him for 43 seconds. Numbers 1-4 were told to a retired detective who works with one of our team members us by an LE source close to the investigation. Im sure his wife Mrs. X knows or suspects what he has done but she wont roll overKeep up the great work and hopefully they get this SOB! Any info you can get us on this will be much appreciated! On February 13, 2017, the two friends went for an afternoon walk, where they posted social media photos of their adventures that day. KAK and his Dad. Of course, we empathize with their losses, but sympathy wears thin when someone is screaming in your face. Instead of bashing us, why dont you ask why the cops are telling us this stuff? Yes, they would be looking for it, because if you know computers etc. That is because we got these statements either directly from LE, official case documents, or the same conclusions reached independently by two different sources (for this to be false, both sources would have had to make up the exact same lie), or from direct statements from one of the girls guardians. As CrimeOnline previously reported, Kline, an Indiana man accused of child exploitation and child pornography, says police told him he was the last person to communicate with one of the two girls killed in Delphi, Indiana, in 2017. Where did he get the food and what was the food? That person is probably some local creep getting revenge since those girls parents were into the same bullchit. Im not sure about their clothes, but they definitely crossed that creek all right. Say for instance LE arrested Mr. X and charged him with the double homicides of these two girls. Its very rare for killers to take photos or videos of their crimes. And-, Kline: I dont think I ever did, though. That is all it can possibly be. Pay no attention to the first sketch, which looks like a middle aged man, Mr. X. They told us that Kegan Kline was not involved. Reminiscent of a small hatchet, not a typical knife. A lot of my friends didnt join. This claims are quite dubious and we dont suggest anyone put any weight into them. BG is a 50 year old man. All I ask is that you say that our suspect is named Mr. X, and we absolutely refuse to identify this man. Why on Earth would the killer have a copy of an audio file from Libbys phone! Every podcast is all about them! But they didnt get to ask him about PB. Was Mr X aware of the pregnancy and the murder was to hide that fact? Was Mr X aware of the pregnancy and the murder was to hide that fact? For the latest true crime and justice news,subscribe to the Crime Stories with Nancy Grace podcast. It is important to note that you are under no obligation to tell the police anything. Dolls were hanging from trees at the crime scene. I dont know if Mr. X is part of the groups promoting the trail system, but for some reason, I doubt it. He took a piece of jewelry from Libby as a trophy thats also buried. For one, its a gross violation of journalistic ethics, and I was trained to be a journalist I have a BA in Journalism and worked as an editor of a large magazine, among other things. BG made a deep cut to the throat of one victim, probably with a hatchet, that resembles the deep cuts made to the throats of pigs at some slaughterhouses. 'A. Hes innocent. See below for which rumors we believe are proven and which are unverified. LE doesnt have much in the way of good, solid evidence against Mr. X. He lives in an ivory colored mobile looking home within the country. Updated: 7:18 PM EST December 20, 2021. We have the basic outlines of the crime sketched, and weve even filled in a lot of the blanks. I dont get it. Anyway, LE believes that Bridge Guy is Mr. X. Theyre not looking at anyone else. She also managed to take a photo and record a small clip of the suspect. I think the girls met up with BG somewhere on that trail before they got onto the bridge. Answers to questions about my credibility. My background is nowhere near close to any qualifications for this. While we see a giant plush bear, thats too weird, so we will defer to the search party lady and agree with her statement. Which begs the question, if Mr. X is BG, how did he come to acquire a pair of Indiana Packers boots, which is what he appears to be wearing during his crime? These are simply unverified rumors. Theyre Delphi related videos comparing his appearance to BG. Is that also speculation? The autopsy of the other would know if she was a virgin and even if the killer violated her with whatever she would have bled a little so that could have been detected also. These partial DNA samples are useful to LE. Can you email me with her name, please? Is Mr X part of any of the local groups working on promoting the trail system? Who says those videos are from him? Stay tuned. They have enough suggestive evidence to make them think he did it, but if you look a the nature of their actual evidence, its awfully thin. I am 100% behind you. No, they are obviously looking for photos and videos that the killer took as part of this crime. This is what happened. Consequently, the accuracy of our statements should go up a lot too. Im the one who did it. Were the best Delphi sleuthing group on the Net for years now. I 100% agree about Mr X, and I recently seen a pic of his stepson which I think looks similar to the YBG sketch. Most of these podcasts are silly speculation or talk about POIs who are all ruled out. Im limited in my sleuthing skills. Furthermore, we have two different LE sources, both detectives in Indiana, tell us that this is exactly what happened. These people are from all over the country and have expertise in all sorts of different areas. Theres a connection that has been missed! We believe she never showed up, he never called the wife, he never lost his keys in the first place, and there was no spare set. Furthermore, almost nothing of consequence is being said, and it reminds you of a night with your friends drinking, and no one says one thing of importance for hours. Summer months. All rights reserved. Highly suspicious and the states that are responsible are more interested in getting into pissing contests as opposed to finding her. This had been done on other occasions, at least one other we know of in the 2000s. For whatever reason, she confuses facts all the time and cant keep her stories straight. Twice in the the Evansdale Murders, LE thought they were certain that they had the right man. Cause of death of one girl was a deep cut to the throat. But the police are having a very hard time gathering enough evidence against this man to take it to court. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. The judicial system likes to make sure that they get it right, if only to protect the due process rights of the accused. Its more secure. 242? This is getting ridiculous. Incidentally, this LE detective thinks our police sources are all real sources and thinks we are on the right trail. They showed the boots in an evidence bag to the media later on that night, and they said, Oh, this is nothing. . They dont have enough on the main suspect him to take him to trial, but they enough to think did it. Hes afraid hes going to be framed with these murders, a reasonable fear. Im actually a rather shy, introverted, cautious, and extremely polite person who is terrified of making people mad, getting called creepy, offending people, etc. We also dont know what he was doing searching down there that night. We currently feel that this is the best explanation of the facts. We believe that those reactions were overblown. One stepson, age 21 with the same first and last names. And two girls were abducted there also. We just sent a couple of our investigators out to Delphi and surrounding towns. Video of the incident was released by police. It says at one point apparently Machine Operator as a title, but then the vid definitely makes it a point to focus on Christian Teen Club. Not sure what the implication is there, but one can certainly imagine. Novella Nedeff, a clinical associate professor at Indiana University's McKinney School of Law, said sealing court records after a defendant is in custody is unprecedented to her, and speculated. We doubt if she did contact his wife. At this point, they dont even have enough for an arrest. Unverified with Some Likelihood of Being True is a common qualification. He concurred that a high error rate is normal early in the investigation and he also said that by 4-5 years later, you may well get a much clearer picture of the crime. Sure hes a greedy businessman, but I doubt if hes that greedy. I am sure he was asked. Neither one can possibly be BG. Theres a knife that he used to kill the girls. You are an obviously intelligent person and have made many good points. Indeed, he has been questioned and he is cooperating fully with the investigation. If the DA does not think he has enough evidence in a homicide case to win in court, they wont take it to trial. I tune in to their broadcasts and most of it is these narcissists collecting narcissistic supply, which is being doled out by their worshipful audience. Would you please email me? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Scan this QR code to download the app now. (inaudible), Police: You, you admitted you talked to her . Then he needed 2-3 months of therapy to work through this traumatic experience. The girls hand was wrapped around the knife to make it appear that she was stabbing herself. Turned out he was just some troll who wanted people to think he committed these murders instead of being the person who actually did them. The Murder Sheet podcast published the affidavit filed by a FBI agent asking for a warrant to search. Im getting, at the home!. Hi Robert, can you tell me if FSG and/or his brother were part of the search parties on either day? Never knew what the case was against this man other than that he had property near the bridge, and he and his wifes alibi of being out of the state traveling got a bit mangled. Get real. Unverified and Probably Not True. Sorry, this post was deleted by the person who originally posted it. How do you know that LE has someone they believe is BG? Sexual age orientation: Pedohebephilia, nonexclusive, AOA 8-14. It was all over by 3:30 PM. I believe that came from the leaked DE texts, and I would really like to know if that has ever been confirmed by anyone in LE. It is interesting to note that the Evansdale girls were also abducted on the 13th. There is a lot of controversy about that but it does appear that you can hear on the audio, Is that creepy guy still following us?. Isnt that REALLY FUCKING STUPID? A vote on funding the Crisis Response Center, contracted with Oaklawn, is expected on March 14. He was 18 in 1984, so we figured he graduated that year, but maybe he graduated in 1986 when he was 20. Just thought I would steel you for that thought. Only a deer kit looks just like that. Apparently he planned this abduction to occur at precisely this time, which is shocking. Its a farce! Better to let your officers go home for a few hours so theyd be ready for work the next morning. And although hes no no saint, I dont think he has it in him to commit a crime like this. 2-13 again. Amazing work! What time was RL on video eating pizza? [Featured image: Abby (l) and Libby (r)/Handout], Missing Nevada Woman Stopped Contact with Family, Police Seek Tips, Unknown Man Seen Using Missing Georgia Mans Credit Card in Baton Rouge, WATCH LIVE: Murdaugh Family Murders Day 25: Closing Arguments, subscribe to the Crime Stories with Nancy Grace podcast. The crime scene photos have been widely trashed as paraedolia. Please check out my YouTube channel, MsPsychic Sleuth. One of the girls, likely sensing danger, recorded the mans voice on her cellphone. We believe that his truck got towed later on when his wife never showed up with the keys, that Mr. X searched Ron Logans land that evening with two other men, and that he left his truck sitting in that same spot for 18 hours until the next day when the bodies were found. The only places he differs is where he thinks that the police are wrong! LE has already looked into him quite a bit, and I assume hes cleared. Also, if I look at a map showing where the girls were dropped off, seems there is a pretty long trail from that spot onto the railroad bridge. The other person involved that is kin to this POI. (Indiana State Police) Authorities in Delphi, Indiana, have issued a fresh plea for information about a fake social media profile they suspect was used to lure two teenage girls to their deaths. She described his eyes as dark and evil. Photos, videos, cameras, videocameras, and film. If I were LE, I would take a long, hard look at Rick Brown in Delphi, Indiana. Im a retired homicide detective I know what Im talking about. I am running into one issue with Mr. X. I was wondering if there might be a different thought on this. By the way, whats a legitimate journalist? Whats a illegitimate journalist? Theres no such thing as either. The rest are guardians. If its who I think it is, you can tell her I said that. I just like to take this opportunity to thank the Mods in making this subreddit Delphimurders readable again and to the posters who post informative, well thought out COMMENTS. If he is a poser, which is the worst of the worst, and he has a transport company, that gives him carte blanche to move around in committing more crimes of this nature in different parts of the country as he travels. Number 6, an extremely controversial statement, was told to JM and then to us by a sheriff in a nearby county. Im not buying the fact that they just werent equipped to handle an investigation of this magnitude. They said, Hes just a decoy. But we dont know what that means. No longer in state. Although his face isnt clear in the picture, it was enough to give authorities a general description. https://beyondhighbrow.com/2019/09/20/support-beyond-highbrow/. Do you know why FSG was there at the trails; how long hed been there; how he got there; if he drove, what sort of car he drove and where he parked it. Isnt that logical. Thank you I came here after being directed to you. But that would mean that Becky Patty would have to say that she called the wife. We reported them one year before it came out in the media that they were all true. There are unconfirmed rumors Mr. Xs truck was towed after his wife never came to bring the car keys and that Mr. Xs truck was never searched by police. Yes, a lot of our very early information turned out wrong, but now that we have studied the case much more clearly, our view of the case is getting a lot more accurate as we are able to rule in or out various rumors and hypotheses. Four people are involved at least peripherally, BG and three others. They think he did it. DELPHI, IN - It was Valentine's Day, 2017, when the corpses of two young teen girls, Liberty "Libby" German and Abigail "Abby" Williams, were found under a train bridge. Im curious if Mr X knew KAK or his father? Is there any way on Earth that BG could look like the young man in that sketch or even an 18-40 year old? Hunting partner of Anthony Greeno, podcaster who has reported on the case avidly. Shes also written a book and is aware of my coverage. He even brought his phone in and took it apart to reveal the GPS device in it so they could look at it. There was an early raid on the Indiana Packers plant in Delphi that was done by LE. Thats technically true but in all my years of playing the part of a PIO and putting out press releases, Ive never intentionally told a lie. If the killer had that weird and I would assume rare fetish with the sticks, branches and stakes, maybe the local sex workers may know exactly who it is? CM: Not even going to bother to reveal his name. (WPTA/WNDU) - Documents have been released in the Delphi murders case, but questions about the evidence and how Abby Williams and Libby German died remain. You claim he works at Indiana Packers then say his profession is woodworking. (WPTA/WNDU) - Documents have been released in the Delphi murders case, but questions about the evidence and how Abby Williams and Libby German died remain. Professor at a local university, known for the Geocaching Theory. Thank you for all the work on the Delphi case. Particularly this statement. I actually had written a letter to law enforcement that I failed to send, of which I was reading from. On and on. Oh one more thing. INDIANAPOLIS Indiana State Police say his personal pictures were used to lure young girls - a cop, victimized in a catfish scheme and suddenly thrust into the Delphi murders investigation. Court documents released by a true-crime podcast shed more light on the investigation of the unsolved 2017 murders to two teen girls in Delphi, Indiana. Our reporting. Not sure why that is. We agree with that because we think they were sitting in his pocket the whole time! Its buried under settlement and underbrush. The event, entitled New and Old Wars, New and Old Challenges to Peace, takes place from 7 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. on Wednesday at McKenna Hall in rooms 215/216. The conviction is expunged. Thing is, we cant figure out if it is a crumpled piece of paper, dried leaves, a stuffed toy, or a doll. Sorry, Ive been a bit down lately. Delphi Murders /// Under the Bridge /// Part 1 /// 509 Part 1 of 3 www.TrueCrimeGarage.com Delphi, Indiana - February 13, 2017 - Middle school students Liberty German and Abigail Williams went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail and were murdered. Employed at two factories in nearby towns as a machine operator in recent years. What that has to do with anything is not known. Yes, that is part of Leigh Kerrs testimony. Fan Casting Indiana Jones and the Peril at Delphi by Lucasfilm Ltd. Story added by alecgroskreutz1 on February 22, 2023. . Some of this confusion is probably natural, since the the whole B family has gone underground. The rejoinders also say that either he never lost his keys or he did and he called the wife to bring a spare, and she did, evidence being the police scanner. If you met me, you would laugh at them for saying that. Also its very hot here and all I feel like doing is sleeping all the time. He does not work there at the moment. They just think its a sin that needs to be overcome. Im a real nice guy, I treat my commenters well, and Im basically this mild-mannered, unassuming, intellectual, professor type. Thank you so much! We think the girl knew she was pregnant. We dont do that on here and never have. In the first four years, two LE officers only affirmed one rumor each. We know he had binoculars with him and he told the girls that he was a railroad policeman who had spotted them with binoculars. Hes connected to a local sex offender in the area (a friend, or family membercousin?). Okay, I think I have the name which I garnered from another website. He could have even confessed to me, but I am still not under obligation to tell the cops. People are saying this is a coincidence, but apparently LE does not believe it is coincidental. LE caught Mr. X in the lies about losing his keys, calling his wife to bring him a spare, and a spare even existing in the first place. 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