Congratulations on your house in Covina. That sounds like a nice combination of trees, and it sounds like theyre growing very well. In fact nowadays growing mangos and bananas is becoming more common here whereas just a decade ago an avocado tree put you on the cutting edge of growing. You could eat Sir Prize fruits starting pretty early in winter, and then you could let the GEMs hang late and eat them even through summer maybe into fall except that Covina gets hot, so maybe not. Id like to try out that variety. The only tough part is that you must whitewash exposed bark. When it comes to Avocado, Temecula is the place to buy all your Avocado trees, famous for best Avocados in the WORLD. for avocados. Ive been told that landfills in other counties offer similar products. Were planting a minimum of 5000 trees using a high density planting design and will foliage spray. I saw a fruiting avocado tree for the first time in my life. We had problems with root rot our persimmontree died of root rot). Thought you and others might be interested in knowing that Gwen avocados are currently available at Elis Farmstand in Fallbrook. Or maybe scratch all those and go with GEM or Gwen? I think we do have tomato phytophthora. (Then again I let mine hang until June.). If you can, I would go with those combinations. And if I couldnt find a Fuerte, Id substitute a Pinkerton. I am less concerned about the fruiting period but a good tasting avocado and a tree that will look presentable in a public area. I love old trees like that. Your climate in Temecula is similar to mine in Ramona: a bit hot in summer; a bit cold in winter . I wish you luck with the planting this is a perfect time for it. And if you dont care about getting lots of fruit, then Holiday is a fine choice; it also naturally grows more like a shrub, which might look appropriate in a pot. Hi Robert, I would like to let you know how my adventure in avocado growing proceeds. Thanks Lamb, Reed, Pinkerton (and Grande) seem to be the happiest and healthiest. Florida avocados, for one, have less fat; one cup of the fruit has 23 grams of fat compared to a Hass avocado's 35 grams. What do you think, is it overkill to have two Hass trees? Ive enjoyed reading your posts as I consider my Avocado plant. So since youre buying from Subtropica, Id get any clonals they have, if available, and then plan to wrap the trunk next winter to protect the rootstock and graft union area from cold. (Alternatively, if I had a neighbor with a Hass or a vendor at a farmers market who sold good Hass, then I could plant a Reed as my only tree.). Im really benefiting from your observations. Thank you for your great thoughts on Avos! Avocado - Hass (A Flowering Variety): Possibly the most popular of all avocados, Hass bears incredibly flavoursome fruits that keep well. Which town or area are you in? 1) which two varieties would you recommend as being good pairing for quite heavy clay-y soil?! (See more about Lamb in my post, The Lamb/Hass avocado tree: a profile.). The tree's canopy can range in shape from low, dense, and symmetrical, to upright and asymmetrical. Also I was thinking of grafting Lamb Hass onto the Hass so I can extend that season. Wish me luck! Greg Another which 2 trees are best question. Hi Greg, ), (See more about Fuerte in my post, The Fuerte avocado tree: a profile.). Ive seen high-density plantings get crowded after the first few years and then the yield is reduced and the grove is impenetrable jungle. And a friend showed me an old tree of an unknown variety that hed found growing without irrigation near Shelter Island. Aside from their physical differences, the main difference between Hass and Fuerte avocados is their textures. I hope I can answer all of your questions on this topic there. For my Fuerte, for instance, Ive grafted in a couple of branches of A types. But unfortunately, there was a huge heat wave in July-August 2022, and the young Hass died of sunburn. A mature avocado tree may produce in excess of a million flowers during the flowering period, most of which fall without producing fruit. The Sharwil is a Guatemalan avocado of Australian origin, very similar to the Fuerte (although the Sharwil avocado is more ovular). Hi Greg, I was surprised this past weekend that I found the Lowes in La Mirada had 10 Reeds in 5 gallon containers. What would be smarter choice? I am looking for something to pair with Hass for extended season and help in pollination. (This is June 22, 2019.) The soil holds water for long though Im in Van Nuys, which is Sunset Zone 18. We planted 4 avocados in the front: Hass, Sharwil/Kona, Fuerte, and Reed. It is very good sized, peels easily, acts like it is a semi-dwarf tree, and the fruit is just so good! Zutano, Thats a good question. Others have noted this since the early days growing Gwen, and I have also noticed it in my tree. The grove manager said he prefers Hass at no closer than 12 feet. The fifteen-gallon avocado trees Ive planted have all continued to be far bigger and productive earlier than five-gallon trees planted at the same time. But I would add them only after planting this trio. Its single disadvantage is its black color, which has been associated in the minds of the public with poor quality fruits, wrote, Then why isnt Fuerte my top choice? Lots of them are dropping everyday, but plenty growing. Also someone mentioned tree size and I think I have seen better luck with fresh smaller trees since they were not sitting in pots too long. But Ill let you know how they grow. And please let me know how your adventure in avocado growing proceeds. Do remember how heavy the fruit is, and that it will cause branches to bend down significantly. Ive found that 30% shade cloth over the top of young trees is enough unless its over about 105 degrees. You might be able to find a Gwen to taste at a farmers market somewhere nearby around now and through summer. Should be interesting to see how it works out. I dont want to overstep my welcome to the tree. This is a tough call. Actually, I have tasted someone elses Kahaluu fruit that was grown in California so I can use that for reference in comparing to the others. I just cant say for sure. Thanks for the info. Thanks for allowing me to announce it here. Sharwil is not as 'nutty' as Hass, but has a mild but rich fullness of flavor and lingering creamy after-taste that transcends Hass. The tree looks good and very healthy!!!!!! Should I avoid planting a Reed here? Elizabeth. This variety is productive in both coastal and inland areas. The big difference: these avocados have significantly less fat. There are lots of other very good avocado varieties. Thanks for all the resources. I finally managed to buy 1 Hass (on Duke 7) in a local nursery in June 2022 (they sell avocado trees only in May-June). Really it's the type A Guatemalans that far and away perform best in the cool temps. Im glad youre happy with your Zutano. I grew up against the same mountains, but out in Glendora, and Bacons do great there. Oops! (Compare that to many peaches, which cant hold their mature fruit for more than a couple weeks!). So from Armstrong and Evergreen and Walter Andersen, etc. Designed by Elegant Themes | Powered by WordPress, If the only Hass avocados youve had are from the grocery store, then you have no idea. I was trying to think of any varieties that cant be kept to 10-12 feet tall, but Im at a loss. Thank you for sharing your knowledge freely and generously. The only caveat Id make is that Pinkerton and Gwen both seem to like to have a B-type avocado nearby in order to produce their maximum. They have plenty of space, but Im leaning towards the GEM, since its so easy to get a hold of Hass at the markets. Do you think I should remove the one tree which has a few new green shoots? In contrast, most of the Type B avocados are considered "greenskins". Its crazy that these bigger nurseries carry many more inferior varieties, such as Zutano, while less frequently have Reed. Its been since May since I communicated with you. About 8 miles inland in Southern Sonoma County. So if youre toward that side of Temecula, you might get Sharwils to hang on the tree a long time compared to the eastern side of Temecula. I would like a dwarf variety to keep in a large pot on a deck about 4 miles from the San Diego Coast. This weekend, Im going to be using your tips for planting an avocado so I can put mine in the ground. Usually the soil we get up here for avocados is more suited for stone fruit. Its super helpful for us newbies . I dont think it is possible to attach files to the commentaries ongregalder.com, so I will send you pictures by email. Spacing six feet apart with ten feet between rows is very workable, depending on a few factors. The fruit is usually rounded or slightly pear-shaped. I have been growing avos for 40 years. Also, this winter had me buying avocado from Mexico, which is either small and cheaper, or XL and pricey. I have tried a bunch of places with no luck, its even hard finding a Fuerte. One of the challenging things is actually figuring out the season for each time and what that season is for those varieties in the location it is planted. Try to check out the frost patterns next time we get a cold night too. Going back to Atkins to get a Sharwil to pair with my Reed. The information I am finding on Reed says that it is best grown in Zones 10-11. Thank you! Also I love Fuertes, but only if you have a big yard. It is a heavy regular bearer, with fruit averaging 10 to 18 ounces with skin black when ripe. I like the combination of Pinkerton and Lamb; that makes a lot of sense in terms of tree size and complementary seasons. Im familiar with Stassens style of pruning and training young avocado trees to a central leader. In terms of comparing it to the taste of other avocados, thats tricky for me. As your commenter mentioned above, this list might not be optimal for those of us in slightly cooler areas. Trees will be on south facing slope w full sun. Im inclined to just replant everything because I dont find that damaged young trees recover very well. Heavy clay is the worst for Hass avocado trees, but if you have no other choice, create a raised bed or a mound with a 3-5 foot diameter to plant the tree on. If you want it to spread very horizontally, Id plant a Fuerte. Will likely be going with a Sir Prize based on that fact, but Eli at Subtropica has all available, its just so tempting to get all three and just try to plant the reed on the other side of the property. After watching your wonderful Fuerte tree video I was inspired and replaced my young Ettinger for the real thing besides Fuerte might be my personal favorite flavor probably because I remember the taste of Fuerte guacamole as a kid. Thanks. They explain about varieties and rootstocks and even about clonal vs seedling rootstock (that was an amazing discovery as well). Holiday likes to drop its fruit before it is mature. The fruit must be of good size. Temecula gardener here. Ive never bought from Clausen but have heard good results from a friend who has bought avocado trees there. Hi Greg, thank you for your posts. From your experience what avocado tree should I plant? Thanks Greg. I have a place near my citrus trees. My head was spinning, trying to develop the perfect avocado plan for my hillside. Yes, Atkins is a great source of uncommon avocado varieties. We will sell trees at various ages and transport to other islands. 'Wilma' cold-hardy avocado fruits weigh up to six ounces (182g). I cant imagine anyone being happy with that situation even if were just a typical commercially variety much less a one of a kind variety without first getting some type of permission. This is how your year in avocados could look. My Gwen is only a couple years old now so I hesitate to say a lot about it since my firsthand knowledge is limited at this point. Thanks for the articles; Im finding them to be a wonderful resource. Good problems. Haha. I will definitely stay in touch if any other questions arise. I wish I could visit that old Puebla. What I would plant after these is less solid though. When I walk around my neighborhood here in Sylmar, Its amazing how most people abuse their avocado trees by having their gardeners rake up those leaves as soon as they hit the ground. Old mexicana only a few a year, sometimes none. But Ill definitely write profiles of them when I feel like I know them well enough. Ill write it within the next couple weeks and title it something like Avocado varieties for year-round fruit.. Maybe I should just roll the dice! In that case, the tree needs to be kept cool and hydrated as far as possible. Most people are a bit lazy when it comes to tree pruning. (Note: I took this photo in June, at the tail end of the Fuerte season, at the height of the Hass season, and at the very beginning of the Reed season.). The salt tolerance of some is not extremely better than others. We also now have rain tanks and are going to try and save our rain water for the avo, as the other fruit trees do well with our water. "Hass avocados are alternate bearing - they will produce a big crop one year, and a small crop the next. It is only slightly pebbled with yellowish bumps, much smaller than the ones found on a Hass. Bacon grows somewhat vertically, but it is likely to grow faster than the GEM. I use foam or bubble insulation to wrap the trunks of my baby trees their first winter. Hi Thomas, (Both Reed and Hass produce more than Fuerte in my yard.) Then youll still be lacking in winter. And compared to Reed, Fuertes production isnt as consistently high. 1 year old Bacon on Zutano seedling At first, I had a Hass in mind, but found out about the GEM and it sounded more like what I was looking for, especially with the columnar growing pattern. FWIW I think Fuerte, Reed and obviously a great Hass are among my top 5 so your advice is excellent. I just dont understand it. I am really lost on here. Like all the Mexican avos, it has a thin skin you can eat like an apple, and a high-oil-content flesh that has a rich taste similar to 'Hass', but with its own distinctive flavor notes. Thanks for the feedback on Holiday. Ive only eaten them once though, a handful of years ago up in Carpinteria. Home Depot in Whittier has mainly had Zutanos, Bacons and Hass while Lowes hadnt had anything. The main difference is that GEM is a smaller tree, if that matters to you. The tree is vigorous and upright, but apparently can be keep to about 2.5 metres in height by intensive pruning. Suggestions? Where to find Sir Prize Avocados? In fact the tree might be a hundred years old and is easily 60 feet tall or larger. FRUITING VARIETY Hass Carmen Hass - subject to $5.18 + GST per tree royalty payment Maluma Hass - subject to $5.00 + GST per tree royalty payment Reed Sharwil Much larger in size, these avocados . You mentioned stopping to see friends in O B. Thin skin but good flavor. All of this is very complicated, but very inspiring!!!! Im glad you have shared how things are doing at your place so others nearby are clued in. Also, what are your thoughts on a multi-variety grafted tree? I have a friend who lives in your area: nice place to grow avocados. Best regards, But mine trees are still small 3 and 4 feet and last year only had 5 egg size fruit. And the sharwil does not have the nutty notes like the hass. On your south-facing slope it might not be as happy. I would have preferred a Jim Bacon but couldnt find one. Just to imagine your future for a second: Youll be eating SirPrize avocados around now in March, then youll switch over to GEM sometime around late spring, then youll end the summer and head into fall with Reeds; oh, here comes the next crop of SirPrize fruit starting to blacken its skin and tell you that its time to pick. Hass beats almost everyone at the length of its harvest season. Ill be back to study more and update you with my progress. On second thought. I live on the edge here in the San Fernando Valley when it comes to frost (and heat) so in addition to my Reed I have planted Sir Prize, Stewart, and Mexicola as cooler weather backups. My son, who ate it with me, called it the bestest avocado ever. (Though only a kindergartener, he has eaten his share of avocado varieties and actually has an opinion worth listening to!). The challenge Ive heard others in your area having is with occasional cold snaps in winter (taken care of by your greenhouse) and such cool spring weather that B types dont set much fruit. Im in Yucaipa (barely north of the center of the city.) You just have to do a little pruning to make sure they share sunlight and space. Now I have all three. But Im guessing. Then I would give the slight nod to GEM due to the likelihood that the tree in general will look prettier. My third choice would be Hass and Lamb. That day gave me a chance to compare the heat tolerance of multiple varieties: https://gregalder.com/yardposts/heat-tolerance-of-avocado-varieties/. In my yard, Reeds start to taste good as early as May, and can go through September. Thanks. But sometimes I dont get lucky with that method, in which case I go to the Miramar Landfill in San Diego where they process such wood chips along with other yardwaste by composting it for a couple weeks and screening it. I wrote to the manager, asked if they had avocado trees available, sent a bank transfer, did the arrangements for the shipping and the trees were delivered to Nice. If your Reed is on Dusa and its doing well so far, then I would get those other trees on Dusa too. I can give it time but wonder if starting new isnt a better option. 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