Post navigation Sacramento, CA http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f072_DivMercy.htm. Kansas City/Westwood, KS The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter has served All Saints since 2013. This is rich: Voris mentioning those who dont really know very much at all about the SSPX as he gets even the most basic facts completely wrong. There is a growth in insight into the realities and words that are being passed on. Father Gerard Saguto, F.S.S.P. Ad Orientem: Why is the Mass Celebrated Facing East? Thank you for addressing me, dear my2cents. FSSP NA on YouTube Youre coming out of your usual comfort zone. I have learned much from your links over the past several months and appreciate your insights. It is their dissent and heterodoxy and lack of courage that have caused all of this to happen. Im surprised to see terminology used here. Looking at what happened at Fisher Moore College in the light of the attacks from Voris this week and in the light of the attacks on Father Gruner the night of his death by Father Paul Nicholson this is all clearly a manifestation of the demonic. Maple Hill, KS The Society and its faithful simply stayed Catholic such as it has always been and always will be in spite of the conciliar revolution. It might seem like a small misfortune, but that Colleges demise illustrates in spades the traps awaiting any future independent and stridently Catholic apostolate that seeks to foster unity among the trad diaspora. I have spoken to/communicated with exactly two FSSP priests in my life. But with any worthwhile risk comes the true opportunity for growth: a gaining of self-knowledge, peace, perspective, and competency. Not even one? We are all fighting for the faith in one way or another. But they are all liars? His Vortexellency has no authority to make this subjective determination as to willful intent. We do need to know who we can trust and who we cannot. If I ever respond with animosity (real or perceived) or have a defensive reaction, I take full responsibility for that & ask forgiveness for the vice it represents. Fresno, CA Where to begin? Just because theyre traditional in teaching and praxis doesnt mean theyll always be prudent in every respect. It has been my experience time and again that fellow Trads, who later support the sedevacantist position, want nothing to do with family or friends who do not take this position. Wolfe (as many on the ground have informed me and will likely attest here in the comment section) adopted a rather personal, and some would say unhealthy, animosity toward the SSPX. That Heresy being Modernism itself. That said, we disagree on the points you bring up. FORT WAYNE. First and foremost, however, one must be willing to take a good hard look at the conciliar texts and the new Mass and apply ones intellect as informed by faith. Who gets to determine where the standard of Christ is planted? Fraternity Publications On the local level, a dust up ensued between the SSPX and the FSSP, or more appropriately, between individual persons associated with each as, apparently, a priest of the Society had advised people to avoid the FSSP and it got back to Fr. or Will they remain under the standard of Satan? Using the principle of By their fruits you will know them the FSSP is now showing more and more bad fruit. His last day at Mater Dei was 8/30/2015. The war is here where will the FSSP stand? Brookville, IN This is the will of God, your sanctification (1 Thess 4:3). While a routine and discipline are important (assuming these has been achieved in some measure), mindless routine and lack of discipline prey upon the vitality we, deep down, sense the Faith should inspire. I dont have close familiarity with any of the people concerned. Oklahoma City, OK If there is a so-called "schism" next month, that will affect the Modernist Sect which occupies diocesan parishes everywhere only. Cardinal Burke has been very clear: If Pope Francis puts in place a program allowing the divorced and remarried to receive Holy Communion apart from a true remedy (e.g., an annulment) he will not follow; rather, he said he will maintain the true faith. They remind me of that commercial where the woman walks up to the counter to pay for something and the girl says, I need to see your I.D. and the woman says, But Im your Mother! I assume, perhaps wrongly, that anyone who engages in any way with the Dimonds espouses their stance against Church teaching on BOD and BOB & other things I'll not mention here but you know what they are , I hope. Pequannock, NJ Father John Marcus Berg, F.S.S.P. what does matter , though, is if they adhere to the teachings of the Church. Grega's departure from the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter could have been given. Furthermore, I do agree that Louies blog and the comments that follow are an excellent vehicle for enlightenment during these dark times. There is enough hurt going around from anti-Catholics both outside and inside the Church, without throwing daggers at each other. As I am not a malicious person, I suppose I will simply be ignorant in the public eye now. Think of it as pulling back the curtain on the little man of OZ (Voris). Heck, they dont even tell every person they meet to avoid the Novus Ordo! Finding little support, the faith infused at Baptism is stifled and choked by the thorns of the world, and it becomes easy to drift away. Nicholson) with the SSPX marks him out as, Im afraid, something of a fanatic. For those who are fans of the old Far Side comic strip by Gary Larson, part of his brilliance was his ability to capture how humanity is prone to missing the obvious. There are disagreements (none of which involve Doctrine or Dogma it must be emphasized,) which can only be resolved by the Authority of One to Whom the Authority of the Keys has been given by virtue of lack of any impediment, IOW a reigning pontiff who is protected by the Holy Ghost from giving the faithful anything contrary to the Faith, even within the exercise of the Universal Ordinary Magisterium. Beloved husband of Marie (nee Corallo). Dear de Maria, thank you for the time in answering my question. Wolfe. Gerard Saguto, FSSP We all have blind spots about ourselves and situations we may be in, and the realization of such things can be quite the exercise in humility. FSSP en MEXICO - Oficial 14.7K subscribers Subscribe Like Share 1.8K views 1 year ago Esto es una pequesima muestra de lo que da identidad a la FSSP. More like battle weary at times while being good soldiers of Christ. Both Verrecchio and Voris are about exactly my age born at the tail end of the American baby boomers and although not a bit as courageous or knowledgeable in the faith as them, I really commiserate with both their stories. Quincy, IL Sarasota, FL This definition of Tradition is what the FSSP publicly holds as a condition of being received into new church. Support the FSSP Mission in Africa - Scapulars made by the parishioners of our FSSP Nigerian parish are available in the vestibule. I dont mean to be evasive, but thats all I can say in justice. Anyone who reads Louies blog should, by now, have developed an awareness of the dismal state of affairs in the Church. Unfortunately, it is about to go the way of The DuMont Television Network, which was more entertaining. North American Martyrs Parish is a Roman Catholic parish in Edmonds, Washington, served by the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP). FSSP International And Taylor was hardly the only former staffer to have concerns about how the college was run. I know that you ask in sincerity, Ive read you for some time & admire you. There is a schismatic attitude in the fact of consecrating bishops without pontifical mandate. A cardinal such as Cardinal Burke should speak the truth no matter what the modernist destroyers want. FSSP pastors are . Ive done that in this space many times, speaking of how I once naively believed one thing about the Council, the Mass and even the SSPX, only to have my eyes opened to the truth. This has happened more than once in America. With only a vague sense of her origins and history, and an anemic experience with the institutional aspect of the Church, many Catholics indeed tend to view the Church as a sum of commands and rules, imposing a morality that they find outdated or even impossible. Well, Im not basing what I say on Marshall I have good friends who were there, too, on staff (though their opinions and mine do not perfectly coincide on this affair, I should add). There are so many dangers coming down the pike that I find it hard to believe this issue is taking up so much air time and energy. This link is more succinct. Philadelphia, PA Join Fr. We all have blind spots about ourselves and situations we may be in, and the realization of such things can be quite the exercise in humility. Could you please provide a link or more information on the closing of Fisher More College and how it relates to Michael Voris? In all charity and respect to you, I want you to know that I did look at your video, but have noted that errors have been found with the modern-day Lazarus story. Philadelphia, PA Catholics are watching and waiting. For anyone who wishes to gain knowledge on the position, the information is out there. it comes from the intimate sense of spiritual realities which they experience. It long predated the actions in question of either of them. I want news I can use, and information about my beloved Church that either furthers my knowledge about her, or warns me about those who want to destroy her. Light and life to all He brings, throwing light on our blind spots, provided of course that we give the Infant in the Manger the attention He rightfully deserves. If Terry Carroll was just another CMTV premium member with an axe to grind, would Michael Voris have done this same about face? But they are for the most part Catholic. Until then, Ill continue to uphold the duty of engaging his folly here such as Im able. At first I thought this was an angry tirade toward Mr. Voris for alleged plagerism. Saguto FSSP on Saturday, October 7, 2017. 1 of the problems we have is that if your a traditional catholic bad wording but you know what i mean then what tends to happen is you end up in one of those groups in my comment lower down. Chesapeake, VA The Society operates from the standpoint of speaking Catholic truth in the face of every attack regardless of the source. Be convinced that He always leaves His runaways with a key to get back into the house. May God reward you for all your kind generosity! I hope for the sake of the salvation of souls and the good of the Church that the whole story is known. 4. This is a very short description and in no way represents all the opinions of these groups listed. The threats certainly have increased in intensity in recent years; even the lukewarm Christian can sense this and perhaps feels the need to join in the resistance and push back. Nor are they interested in hearing the kind of drivel spewed out by piokolby, rich and others. Older Entries Im also reminded of Dr.Taylor Marshalls involvement of Fisher More College and am still in the dark as to many of the details. Ive recently come across many of his sermons online and found them to be quite useful. So the horror continues and the FSSP..same story. Calumny is a sin where one tells a lie with the intention of harming the reputation of another. And whatever Kings responsibility (or lack thereof) for that, you can hardly blame Olson of the Mater Dei priests for that state of affairs. In other words I am speaking about what the group believes officially and publicly. I can see where its slightly off, but no more. When I noticed, however, that his more recent talks include the subjects of Sr. Faustina and divine mercy in a favorable light, I turned him off. To me, devotion to the false divine mercy devotion of Sr. Faustina is an excellent indicator of how modernist a priest is. I too have been guilty of using the combox to lay off my personal frustrations, and I have also used uncharitable language. Search. General Chaplain Father Stefan Reiner. SOLEMNMASS Fr. Im sure some people reading this comment section of louies fine blog will be scratching their heads thinking so many different opinions on the same topic whats it all about.. Im not talking about those who comment but readers of louies blog who might just be coming across these topics for the first time. Will the FSSP tell Voris PUBLICLY that he does not have permission to use FSSP sermons in his attacks on other Catholics in print or in audio and that his view that the SSPX is in schism is not the OFFICIAL position of the FSSP? Which means that because these others dont beleive certain things it gets people start to say you shiuldnt believe this or that. Colorado Springs, CO Wigratzbad Seminary This is the document that created the FSSP. Your question- poignantly phrased- touches on the experience of many a trad. As one who was there for this sermon (and many more), and class, I firmly state that he has NEVER attacked the SSPX. Clarkdale, AZ We really have no idea what pressure these FSSP priests are under. Thank you for this honest report, Mr. Verrecchio. Saguto, Fr. The reason I feel that way, my2cents, is because Ive held the position for decades, hence- bc of the timeframe-in my early years of mothering I met some of the original laity & priests who held the position (who BTW shall at this time remain nameless.) Love your enemies, be good to those who hate you is not a suggestion. The FSSP parish runs a school and the local diocese enforces a policy that all adults who work with children must have a criminal background check and fingerprint search. If I do, in fact, belong to an exclusive club, I would hope it would be as a Catholic faithful who adheres to the unchanging tenets of the Catholic Church as Christ established it. It doesnt take a Sherlock Holmes to connect the dots, folks. I understand there is a diabolical disorientation going on, which is difficult for many priests to recover from, but devotion to the divine mercy chaplet only exacerbates the disorientation, I have noted. 3:00pm Closing Talk - Fr. This cannot become ho-hum, but we know there is always a danger of that, or getting stuck in a rut. Nevertheless, I address you here not out of disrespect, but simply because the sedevacantist position is almost always inaccurately sketched out and characterized here & elsewhere. Saguto is FSSPDistrict Superior in the United States: Insanity has been described as "doing the same over and over while expecting different results." Time and again I have tried to make clear that pocket recordings do not faithfully reproduce choral sound. It cannot be said in correct, exact, and precise terms that there is a schism. Following the dedication, North American Superior Father Gerard Saguto, FSSP, celebrated the first church's Mass, and Archbishop Gomez preached the first sermon, focusing on the God's call for the parish to "redeem that little part of the world we live in." * Sunday Mass at St. Paul's College Chapel, Ponsonby. Since I am not under religious vows, my opportunities for disobedience are rather limited, since I otherwise adhere to all traditional teachings of the Church. Will you also look at the links I posted above? While it had varied levels of success, it was an interesting approach, because this reality of the Catholic Church as a home often escapes Catholics when they consider what the Church actually is. Michael Voris right now has a post up attacking the SSPX and he directly links to the FSSP site in Scotland and names Father John Emerson FSSP. Very dear and close friends, who fought side by side with me and my family to defend the Catholic faith, have literally turned their backs on us and pretend they never even knew us. May none of us ever become so prideful as to claim immunity. His first Mass in Seattle will be on Sunday, October 5th and it will be a sung Mass. As you say, hopefully someday he will be humble enough to admit his error. ** Sometimes we are trite, blunt, even silly. The central issue & question to be asked is: Is that religion which is currently observed in Vatican overseen dioceses worldwide the Catholic religion? South Bend, IN Dear grandfather of. Good people do not go along w/heresy. There is also, to borrow Voris words, an objective case of jurisdiction, and the legal/subjective case of jurisdiction. These latest round of attacks is the fruit of Father Wolfes influence that is a manifestly provable fact. That a priest who knows that Peter has forbidden him from offering the Sacrifice of the Mass would be so presumptive as to thumb his nose at the Vicar of Christ and say his superiors have given him permission is terrifying terrifying for the soul of that priest. Catholic families (WITH CHILDREN) have broken up because the FSSP Priest told Catholics they were not licitly married because they were married by a SSPX Priest. What went on at Fisher Moore College is not known. Springdale, AR Look, if Michael had a genuine change of heart such that he now feels compelled to change his previous (and well disseminated) stance of these matters, he would address them head on. I was still reading his blog almost daily when it all transpired, and can remember it not sitting well with me after hearing his explanations. French-speaking Chaplain Father Hubert Bizard. He pretends he never believed anything other than what he spews today. Simon Harkins, FSSP as we begin the conversation on August 31st, featuring a fascinating interview with Abby Johnson on her pro-life work and her recent discovery of the beauty of the sacred liturgy. Joliet, IL Nothing is credible in the Church apart from Christ who lives in it with us; if we do not believe Christ is God, then we never believe in the truths that flow from that and have had tremendous impact on us the Holy Trinity, the Holy Eucharist, the Resurrection, the forgiveness of sins. Ad majorem Dei gloriam. This, for the love of God & the goal of conversion. For the person who knows that the Council is a grave danger to the faith, they have no problem advising against them allowing themselves (and their kids) to be formed in an FSSP parish since we have an obligation to engage those things that threaten to lead us away from the faith. What I am not getting into is the subjective faith and morals of the Priests of the FSSP and the laymen who attend their parishes. I understand the point you're trying to make when you state that people thought the same of the Great & Venerated Saint Who ate locusts & foretold the Coming of the Redeemer and they did. Sedevacantist bishops & priests interract with other Catholics, be they SSPX, those who are in diocesan life, etc. ), Supporters of the Society are also discouraged from participating even in FSSP settings because the FSSP accepts Vatican II.. It does not matter whether folks think that those Dimond Bros. are fanatics or anything else they may think. But we preach Christ and Him crucified. The question of the FSSP really is a question of doctrine,principle and new mass. In this letter, the North American District Superior of the FSSP, the Rev. 2nd group those that attend TLM this can range from someone who may attend a weekday TLM or sunday TLM but who still likes to be involved with their local parish and who sees no problem with new mass. I have very good reasons for my feelings towards your beloved order. I dont know what it means to be disobedient to the Pope even when doing so would help to save souls. What would such an occasion look like for me as a layman? When Pope John Paul II had the Assisi meeting Archbishop Lefebvre pleaded with the good Cardinals like Siri and Oddi to make a public protest to defend the honor of the Church. First of all everything said about Fr. Saguto (FSSPDistrict Superior) 31 May 4:30pm St. Victor Church in Hollywood (Los Angeles) ORGANPROCESSIONAL Organist: Meaghan King 120. God bless you. I suppose they have a natural virtue and would follow every rule even if they were protestants. But just bc it ought to be further delineatd in that separate category for clarity which would take a minute. It includes those who, through no or >>limited<>>limited<<< fault of their own. I feel sorry for Michael Voris. Simon Harkins, FSSP as we begin the conversation on August 31st, featuring a fascinating interview with Abby Johnson on her pro-life work and her recent discovery of the beauty of the sacred liturgy. Alarico, thank you for bringing this to my attention. Besides its probable connection to ChurchMilitant.coms zeal against the SSPX, the unraveling of Fisher More College (the presidents fiscal leadership aside) is a stark study just how quickly Church power will coalesce to suppress an institution whose express mission is Traditional Catholic Formation (unless of course the institution was grandfathered in and has swallowed every conciliar tenet proffered since grandfather died). Lol.it wont be happening my friend. I read this blog daily.I may post here about 3 times a week, if that, and I would hardly consider what I do hijacking. Fr. I think that for piety, for love of Our Lord, and for love of the Holy Father (no matter how bad he is), we ought to publicly resist his errors based on the previous Popes throughout history. Fall - Men's Recollection - The Holy Name Society will be sponsoring a Men's Morning of Recollection given by Fr. What they ultimately have lacked, though, is a real sense of contact, intrigue, and love with a Person. Their bad fruit is well know. Having said that, it is a bit disappointing having come to the knowledge that full disclosure on this site has given, to know that Fr. What did Our Lord Jesus say: by the love you have for one another will they know you and love your enemies, be good to those who hate you and persecute you. And we must distinguish between the two. The opinions of Voris are small potatoes when you look at the big picture. Wolfe is in some way, if not directly, but indirectly involved in what we are seeing play out. This comes about in various ways. He is EVIL. make use of all the sacraments in the (old rite) at places like the FFSP , ICKSP etc this is where it can become a little complicated while these places offer all sacraments in the (old rite) they are in what we hear voris and others saying full communion with/under rome meaning that they are under the jurisdiction of the local bishop and cant/dont attack issues like the second vatican council. I will look at the link of this man who was dead. Home Base - Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter Home Base by Fr. A great film and you posted it on St. Joseph of Cupertinos feast day! Seattle, WA Saguto, FSSP is the District Superior for the North American District of the Fraternity of St. Peter, and gives retreats, conferences, and days of reflection across the country. Whether or not they actually desire her destruction, or are simply operating in ignorance, is of no bearing on the present matter whatsoever. We hold that the religion borne of VII is not the Catholic religion, but a non-Catholic Sect, of which Bergoglio is now the head. I cant believe it! Their website didnt say where he was going. Which I know some people here do. Many excellent leaders in the Church, good holy men and women, recognize the exact same problems, but they havent left. In our Catholic life they are usually priests and bishops and this is being done by many of them. Saskatoon, SK Clearly many of them have the Faith and are holy. And it comes from the preaching of those who have received, along with their right of succession in the episcopate, the sure charism of truth. One of the greatest problems facing Catholics who are trying to understand the crisis is a lack of distinctions and a lack of proper definitions. Fort Worth, TX http://youtu.be/eXxOLNRBdXw. A group like CMRI *does* accept those consequences, quite readily; they are not bothering to depend on any bishops but their own for their apostolates. Stop using deceptive language. Saskatoon, SK While every home has its own mix of dysfunction, the anger and frustration displayed by those raised in more dysfunctional ones reveals this innate sense of what was to be expected. That doesnt make them schismatic; rather, it makes the pope guilty of abusing his authority. They are not coming out with press releases, video responses and challenges, threats to sue, etc. If he so desired, in this year of mercy, to also grant them jurisdiction, TMAHICH could do so. There is, in any event, no SSPX or sedevacantist chapel within easy driving distance of me even if I wanted to go. The full details of what happened at Fisher Moore College need to be made public. Wolfe FSSP is true and public. Fulton Sheen coins Him, living in the Church that seeks to unite her members and remain the constant inspiration for our holiness and mutual forgiveness. Nothing more and probably less. Little Rock, AR Sad. It must be pointed out that validity is not the central issue. Nor is it a personal attack on you. I think they wanted an experienced priest to help Fr. SAGUTO - Michael D., on June 12, 2009 of Syosset, NY. http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/1973-new-from-remnant-tv-a-ceasefire-the-fssp-vs-the-sspx Thank you, john6. I disagree with you, however, that the FSSP should be avoided. We are Baptized and likely Confirmed; that means that graces come with these two sacraments that put us on a path to meet God, throughout this life, at our judgment, and hopefully face-to-face in heaven for eternity. Gerard Saguto, FSSP November 15, 2019 From Archbishop Bernard A. Indeed, contrary to what some may hear about us, we sedevacantists in reality live amidst other Catholics in peace & gracious commaraderie. FSSP Missions You are supporting evil. The FSSP is wrong on the doctrine,principles and the new mass. But I am going to check your topics before I read further. If Catholics do not like these attacks on the SSPX your beef is with the FSSP and its superiors. hi, scott, I had already decided (in agreement with you) to stay away from CMTV and T. Marshall. dear marian& all, Barbara ChurchMilitant and M. Voris started this. Lets be clear these men (again, including the pope) are not synonymous with the Church; rather, they are, objectively speaking, laboring for her destruction. All of these evils, in fact, are their responsibility. It has all been discussed in detail in the comment section on the above link, about half way down the page. It ended up punishing students and staff for what were, allegedly, the failings of the administration. Minneapolis, MN Stay away. Perhaps, I should chose my words more carefully. Fr. Thank you. Nevertheless, his blog, writing style, and persona seemed to be totally different to me from that day forward. Louie does a fine job of using his layman status in the correct way, although he steps over the line on occasion. The recovery from this disaster will be a century long. Hopefully, if they no longer agree with the direction of the SSPX they havent remained to poison the well as it were. Interesting insight. 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